{"id":8055,"date":"2019-09-06T07:00:34","date_gmt":"2019-09-06T05:00:34","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blogs.uef.fi\/ueflibrary\/?p=8055"},"modified":"2026-01-14T16:14:10","modified_gmt":"2026-01-14T14:14:10","slug":"dialogi-muutoksen-valineena-iflan-85-konferenssi-ateenassa-libraries-dialogue-for-change-ifla-85th-conference-in-athens","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blogs.uef.fi\/ueflibrary\/dialogi-muutoksen-valineena-iflan-85-konferenssi-ateenassa-libraries-dialogue-for-change-ifla-85th-conference-in-athens\/","title":{"rendered":"Dialogi muutoksen v\u00e4lineen\u00e4 \u2013 IFLA:n 85. konferenssi Ateenassa | Libraries: dialogue for change &#8211; the 85th IFLA WLIC in Athens"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p><bdo lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">(Please, scroll down to read in English.)<\/bdo><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>IFLA, kansainv\u00e4linen kirjastoj\u00e4rjest\u00f6jen liitto, j\u00e4rjesti <a href=\"https:\/\/2019.ifla.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">85. konferenssinsa<\/a> Ateenassa. T\u00e4m\u00e4n vuoden teemana oli dialogi muutoksen tukena, joka sopi hyvin sek\u00e4 Ateenan pitk\u00e4\u00e4n filosofiseen perinteeseen ett\u00e4 aikamme kaoottiseen viestint\u00e4tilanteeseen, jossa keskustelu ja argumentointi tuntuvat unohtuvan. Konferenssi on kirjastoalan suurin, t\u00e4ll\u00e4 kertaa osallistujia oli noin 3500 yhteens\u00e4 noin 140 maasta.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Datan hallinta akateemisten kirjastojen uutena teht\u00e4v\u00e4n\u00e4<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Kehittyv\u00e4 tietotekniikka on antanut uusia mahdollisuuksia kirjastojen ty\u00f6n kehitt\u00e4miselle.&nbsp;Julkaisemisen siirtyminen digitaaliseen ymp\u00e4rist\u00f6\u00f6n ja tutkimuksessa syntyvien suurten digitaalisten datajoukkojen arkistointi ovat tuomassa teko\u00e4lysovellukset kirjastoty\u00f6h\u00f6n. N\u00e4m\u00e4 uudet ty\u00f6kalut mahdollistavat t\u00e4llaisten laajojen data-aineistojen tehokkaan k\u00e4yt\u00f6n ja analysoinnin tietokoneavusteisesti.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Koneoppiva tiedonhaku ja tiedonj\u00e4rjest\u00e4minen tuntuvat kehittyv\u00e4n t\u00e4ll\u00e4 hetkell\u00e4 nopeasti. Ne antavat uusia mahdollisuuksia tutkimukselle ja tutkijoille. Teko\u00e4lyn tuominen perinteisen tiedonhaun rinnalle n\u00e4ytt\u00e4\u00e4 antavan mahdollisuuksia uusien havaintojen tekemiseen sek\u00e4 tiedonhaussa ett\u00e4 varsinkin perustutkimuksessa. T\u00e4h\u00e4nastinen kirjastojen tiedonj\u00e4rjest\u00e4minen on ollut paljolti ennalta m\u00e4\u00e4r\u00e4ttyjen rakenteiden soveltamista julkaistuihin teksteihin. Datanlouhinta muuttaa t\u00e4m\u00e4n siten, ett\u00e4 oppivat tietoj\u00e4rjestelm\u00e4t kykenev\u00e4t l\u00f6yt\u00e4m\u00e4\u00e4n suurista datamassoista rakenteita ja suhteita, joihin ihmisen kapasiteetti ei pysty eik\u00e4 k\u00e4ytett\u00e4viss\u00e4 oleva aika riit\u00e4. T\u00e4m\u00e4n yhteydess\u00e4 on alettu puhua tiet\u00e4myksen l\u00f6yt\u00e4misest\u00e4 (knowledge discovery).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>T\u00e4h\u00e4n kehitykseen liittyy my\u00f6s eettisi\u00e4 ja juridisia ongelmia. Sek\u00e4 datan omistajuus ett\u00e4 sen k\u00e4ytt\u00f6 ja k\u00e4ytt\u00f6tarkoitukset tulee m\u00e4\u00e4ritell\u00e4 kest\u00e4v\u00e4ll\u00e4 tavalla, jotta eettisesti korkeatasoinen tutkimus olisi mahdollista eik\u00e4 datan v\u00e4\u00e4rink\u00e4ytt\u00f6\u00e4 tapahtuisi. T\u00e4ll\u00e4 hetkell\u00e4 koneiden oppiminen on my\u00f6s viel\u00e4 niin alkuvaiheessa, ett\u00e4 ymm\u00e4rryksemme lis\u00e4\u00e4minen koneiden tekemist\u00e4 tulkinnoista ja l\u00f6yd\u00f6sten validiudesta edellytt\u00e4\u00e4 viel\u00e4 paljon tutkimusta, jotta voimme olla varmoja tutkimustulosten p\u00e4tevyydest\u00e4 ja, soveltavilla aloilla, niiden soveltamisesta k\u00e4yt\u00e4nt\u00f6\u00f6n.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Kirjastoille teko\u00e4ly ja nopeasti kehittyv\u00e4 \u00e4lyk\u00e4s semanttinen verkko aiheuttavat my\u00f6s tarpeen kehitt\u00e4\u00e4 ja jopa muuttaa toimintatapoja. Ensinn\u00e4kin jo nyt on tarjolla sovelluksia, jotka pystyv\u00e4t l\u00f6yt\u00e4m\u00e4\u00e4n digitaalisista teksteist\u00e4 avainsanoja ja linkitt\u00e4m\u00e4\u00e4n niit\u00e4 toistensa kanssa tiedonhaun tueksi. T\u00e4ss\u00e4 ty\u00f6ss\u00e4 kirjastojen luomat linkitetty\u00e4 datan k\u00e4sittely\u00e4 tukevat sanastot ja muut rakenteiset tiet\u00e4myskannat ovat erityisen t\u00e4rkeit\u00e4, jotta tiedonhaun tarkkuus s\u00e4ilyisi jatkossakin.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Teko\u00e4lyyn ja k\u00e4ytt\u00e4jien mallintamiseen perustuvat sovellukset ovat tulossa my\u00f6s kirjastojen asiakaspalvelun tueksi. Hyv\u00e4n\u00e4 esimerkkin\u00e4 t\u00e4st\u00e4 oli Oodi-kirjaston yhteyteen tehty asiakaspalvelija-sovellus. Se osasi suositella k\u00e4ytt\u00e4j\u00e4lleen teoksia ohjelmistoon mallinnettujen k\u00e4ytt\u00e4j\u00e4tyyppien kautta.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Avoin julkaiseminen eettisen\u00e4 ja juridisena haasteena tiedeyhteis\u00f6lle<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>IFLAn presidenttin\u00e4kin toiminut, nykyisin Etel\u00e4-Afrikan akateemisessa kirjastolaitoksessa vaikuttava Ellen Tise nosti esityksess\u00e4\u00e4n esille seikan, joka yleens\u00e4 unohtuu suomalaisessakin keskustelussa avoimesta julkaisemisesta. Hyvin toteutettuna avoin julkaiseminen tukee my\u00f6s eri maantieteellisten alueiden ja eri tieteenalojen v\u00e4list\u00e4 tasa-arvoa tieteellisen julkisuuden ja aineistojen saatavuuden toteutumisessa.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.uef.fi\/ueflibrary\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/18\/2019\/08\/IFLA_tekoik2019-1.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"586\" height=\"345\" src=\"https:\/\/blogs.uef.fi\/ueflibrary\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/18\/2019\/08\/IFLA_tekoik2019-1.jpg\" alt=\"Valokuva esitelm\u00e4n esitysmateriaalista ja puhujasta. Avoimen saatavuuden m\u00e4\u00e4ritelm\u00e4 lakikielell\u00e4. Photo of preseantation slide and presenter. Definition of open access in juridical language.\" class=\"wp-image-8073\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blogs.uef.fi\/ueflibrary\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/18\/2019\/08\/IFLA_tekoik2019-1.jpg 586w, https:\/\/blogs.uef.fi\/ueflibrary\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/18\/2019\/08\/IFLA_tekoik2019-1-151x89.jpg 151w, https:\/\/blogs.uef.fi\/ueflibrary\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/18\/2019\/08\/IFLA_tekoik2019-1-300x177.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 586px) 100vw, 586px\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">OA k\u00e4\u00e4nnettyn\u00e4 juridiikan kielelle | <bdo lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">OA in copyright juridics<\/bdo><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Etel\u00e4-Afrikassa on tietoisesti siirrytty vihre\u00e4\u00e4n avoimeen julkaisemiseen, koska se mahdollistaa ensinn\u00e4kin edullisen tavan julkaista tutkimusta ja toiseksi my\u00f6s kehitysmaiden \u00e4\u00e4nen kuulumisen kansainv\u00e4lisess\u00e4 tutkimuskent\u00e4ss\u00e4. Tisen omassa yliopistossa t\u00e4m\u00e4 on tarkoittanut my\u00f6s omien avointen lehtien julkaisemista. T\u00e4m\u00e4 on lis\u00e4nnyt paikallisten tutkijoiden n\u00e4kyvyytt\u00e4 ja vaikuttavuutta. Parhaillaan Etel\u00e4-Afrikassa ollaan tekem\u00e4ss\u00e4 kansallista tiekarttaa avoimesta tieteest\u00e4. Tise korostikin, ett\u00e4 tieteess\u00e4 on edelleen voimassa kolonialistisia rakenteita, joissa pohjoinen tuottaa tietoa etel\u00e4n k\u00e4ytett\u00e4v\u00e4ksi, vaikka tiedon tuottamisen ja k\u00e4ytt\u00e4misen tulisi olla tasa-arvoista ja globaalia.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>My\u00f6s malesialaisessa esimerkiss\u00e4 paikallistiedon digitoinnista ja avaamisesta laajaan k\u00e4ytt\u00f6\u00f6n tuli esille globaali n\u00e4k\u00f6kulma. Paikalliskulttuuria ja sen tuotoksia on p\u00e4\u00e4sty vasta viime aikoina julkaisemaan ja jakelemaan laajasti, koska kolonialistiset rakenteet vaikuttivat ennen maan itsen\u00e4istymist\u00e4 sek\u00e4 siihen, mit\u00e4 voitiin julkaista, ett\u00e4 siihen, mik\u00e4 katsottiin julkaisemisen arvoiseksi. Heid\u00e4n esityksens\u00e4 toi hyvin esille sen, kuinka paikallisten aineistojen avoin julkaiseminen lis\u00e4\u00e4 kulttuurista ja tiedollista moniarvoisuutta ja monipuolisuutta. Vertaaminen lajiston k\u00f6yhtymiseen luonnossa antoi hyv\u00e4n kuvan siit\u00e4, mit\u00e4 yksiulotteinen julkaisukulttuuri voi saada aikaan maailmassa.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Kirjastot v\u00e4yl\u00e4n\u00e4 kohti avointa ja tasa-arvoista tiedett\u00e4<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Avoin tiede n\u00e4ytt\u00e4\u00e4 vakiinnuttavan asemansa tieteen toimintamallina ja akateemisilla kirjastoilla on t\u00e4ss\u00e4 keskeinen rooli. Muutamassa esityksess\u00e4 huomasi sen, ett\u00e4 avoimuuteen liittyv\u00e4t tekij\u00e4n ja k\u00e4ytt\u00e4j\u00e4n oikeudet ja tietoisuus niist\u00e4 ovat keskeisi\u00e4 ty\u00f6kaluja tutkijoille, opettajille ja opiskelijoille.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Erityisen t\u00e4rke\u00e4\u00e4 on kouluttaa uudet opiskelijat ymm\u00e4rt\u00e4m\u00e4\u00e4n tutkimuksen avoimuuden merkitys omassa toiminnassaan, jotta he olisivat tulevaisuuden aktiivisia toimijoita tasa-arvoisen globaalin tutkimusmaailman synnytt\u00e4misess\u00e4. T\u00e4ss\u00e4 on meill\u00e4 UEFissakin viel\u00e4 tekemist\u00e4.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Kirjastojen perusty\u00f6 hankkia, j\u00e4rjest\u00e4\u00e4 ja saattaa k\u00e4ytt\u00f6\u00f6n erilaisia aineistoja n\u00e4ytt\u00e4\u00e4 tulevan rikkaammaksi digitaalisessa teko\u00e4lymaailmassa. T\u00e4m\u00e4 tarkoittaa osaamisen uudistamista, uusien ty\u00f6kalujen luomista ja ennen kaikkea kirjaston palveluiden integroimista erilaisiin digitaalisiin toimintaymp\u00e4rist\u00f6ihin ja ennen kaikkea akateemiseen ty\u00f6h\u00f6n.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/blogs.uef.fi\/ueflibrary\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/18\/2019\/09\/IFLA_osallistujat2019.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"983\" height=\"293\" src=\"https:\/\/blogs.uef.fi\/ueflibrary\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/18\/2019\/09\/IFLA_osallistujat2019.jpg\" alt=\"paljon ihmisi\u00e4, auditorio, lots of people, auditorium\" class=\"wp-image-8077\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blogs.uef.fi\/ueflibrary\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/18\/2019\/09\/IFLA_osallistujat2019.jpg 983w, https:\/\/blogs.uef.fi\/ueflibrary\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/18\/2019\/09\/IFLA_osallistujat2019-151x45.jpg 151w, https:\/\/blogs.uef.fi\/ueflibrary\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/18\/2019\/09\/IFLA_osallistujat2019-768x229.jpg 768w, https:\/\/blogs.uef.fi\/ueflibrary\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/18\/2019\/09\/IFLA_osallistujat2019-300x89.jpg 300w, https:\/\/blogs.uef.fi\/ueflibrary\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/18\/2019\/09\/IFLA_osallistujat2019-850x253.jpg 850w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 983px) 100vw, 983px\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">IFLAn avajaiset | <bdo lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Opening ceremony<\/bdo><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><bdo lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">IFLA, the International Federation of Library Organizations, organized its <a href=\"https:\/\/2019.ifla.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">85th conference<\/a> in Athens. This year&#8217;s theme was dialogue for change, which fits well with Athens&#8217; long philosophical tradition and the chaotic communications of our time, where discussion and argumentation seem to be forgotten. The conference is the largest in the library industry, this time with around 3500 participants from about 140 countries.<\/bdo><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><bdo lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Data management as a new task for academic libraries<\/bdo><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p><bdo lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Emerging information technology has provided new opportunities for the development of libraries. As publishing moves into the digital environment, and with the recent debate on archiving and deploying various digital data sets generated by research are bringing artificial intelligence applications to the library.<\/bdo><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><bdo lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Machine learning and information management seem to be developing rapidly at the moment and offer new opportunities for research and researchers. Bringing artificial intelligence alongside traditional information retrieval techniques seems to offer opportunities for new findings both in information retrieval and especially in basic research. So far, the organization of information in libraries has largely been the application of predefined structures to published texts. Data mining changes this so that learning information systems can find structures and relationships on large masses of data that human capacity and the time available are inadequate for coping with. This has been defined as knowledge discovery.<\/bdo><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><bdo lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">There are also ethical and legal issues with this development. Both ownership of data and its use and uses must be defined in a sustainable manner in order to allow for ethically high-quality research and to prevent data misuse. Now, machine learning is still in its early stages, so that increasing our understanding about machine interpretations and the validity of findings still requires a great deal of research in order to be sure of the validity of research results.<\/bdo><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><bdo lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">For libraries, artificial intelligence and a rapidly evolving intelligent semantic networks also necessitate the development and even change of practices. First, there are already applications available that can find keywords in digital texts and link them to each other for information retrieval. In this work the structured knowledge bases and systems created by libraries can support the interlinked data in order to maintain the accuracy of information retrieval.<\/bdo><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><bdo lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Applications based on artificial intelligence and user modeling are also coming to support libraries&#8217; customer service. A good example of this was the Oodi library customer service application. It was able to recommend works to its user through the types of users modeled on the software.<\/bdo><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><bdo lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Open publication as an ethical and legal challenge for the scientific community<\/bdo><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p><bdo lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Ellen Tise, who also served as IFLA&#8217;s president and currently works at the South African academic library community, highlighted something that is usually overlooked in the Finnish debate on open publishing. Open publishing, if well implemented, also promotes equality between geographical areas and disciplines in terms of scientific publicity and access to materials.<\/bdo><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><bdo lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">In South Africa, there has been a deliberate shift towards green open publishing, because it enables, firstly, a cost-effective way of publishing research, and because it also enables developing countries&#8217; voice in the international research field. At Tise&#8217;s own university, this has also meant publishing its own open journals. This has increased the visibility and impact of local researchers. A national road map on open science is currently being prepared in South Africa. Indeed, Tise emphasized that science still has colonial structures where the North produces knowledge for use by the South, even though knowledge production and use should be equitable and global.<\/bdo><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><bdo lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">The Malaysian example of widespread digitization and opening of local data also brought to light this global perspective. Local culture and its output have only recently been widely published and disseminated, because before colonialism the colonial structures influenced both what could be published and what was considered worth publishing. Their presentation highlighted how the open publication of local materials enhances cultural and informational pluralism and diversity. The comparison with the decline of species in the nature gave a good idea of \u200b\u200bwhat a one-dimensional publication culture could bring about in the world.<\/bdo><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><bdo lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Libraries as a route to open and equal science<\/bdo><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p><bdo lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Open science seems to have established itself as an operational model of science and academic libraries play a key role here. In quite a few presentations, one discovered that openness and awareness of author and user rights are essential tools for researchers, teachers and students.<\/bdo><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><bdo lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">It is particularly important to educate new students to understand the importance of openness in research, so that they will be active players in the future in creating an equitable global research world. Here we have still a lot to do in UEF.<\/bdo><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><bdo lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">The basic work of libraries to acquire, organize and make available various materials seems to be getting richer in the digital artificial intelligence world. This means renewing knowledge, creating new tools and, above all, integrating library services into different digital environments and open learning.<\/bdo><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Jarmo Saarti, kirjaston johtaja | <bdo lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Library Director<\/bdo><br \/><\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>(Please, scroll down to read in English.) IFLA, kansainv\u00e4linen kirjastoj\u00e4rjest\u00f6jen liitto, j\u00e4rjesti 85. konferenssinsa Ateenassa. T\u00e4m\u00e4n vuoden teemana oli dialogi muutoksen tukena, joka sopi hyvin sek\u00e4 Ateenan pitk\u00e4\u00e4n filosofiseen perinteeseen ett\u00e4 aikamme kaoottiseen viestint\u00e4tilanteeseen, jossa keskustelu ja argumentointi tuntuvat unohtuvan. 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